Legislature(2003 - 2004)

02/12/2003 01:33 PM Senate HES

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                 SB  25-AHFC LOANS TO EDUCATORS                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRED DYSON announced SB 25 to be up for consideration.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GARY  WILKEN,   sponsor  of  SB  25,   introduced  Sheila                                                              
Peterson, his  staff who was working  on this issue. He  said it's                                                              
a  simple bill  and  puts  a loan  program  in place  that  allows                                                              
Alaska Housing Finance  Corporation (AHFC) to loan  100 percent of                                                              
value.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     It requires  no down  payment and can  only be  used for                                                                   
     owner-occupied housing.  This will supply  Alaska school                                                                   
     districts a  tool to attract  and keep qualified  public                                                                   
     school   teachers.  Recruitment   and  retention   of  a                                                                   
     qualified workforce  is paramount to the operation  of a                                                                   
     successful K-12 educational program.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
In addition,  SB 25 addresses one  of the concerns  highlighted in                                                              
the  October  2001  Committee  Report  on  the  Statewide  Teacher                                                              
Shortage by  the House Special  Committee on Education.  It states                                                              
that  education  professionals   testified  that  the  number  one                                                              
reason for  the statewide teacher  shortage is because  housing is                                                              
too expensive  or non-existent.  There  is a  $0 fiscal note.  For                                                              
backup  he  referred  the  committee to  their  copy  of  "Teacher                                                              
Housing  - Current  Issues  and Challenges"  issued  last year  by                                                              
AHFC and  the statements  of support from  different areas  of the                                                              
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He  said  it is  helpful  to  see  what other  states  are  doing.                                                              
California gives  $15,000 to $30,000 grants to  attract and retain                                                              
teachers and  Santa Fe, New Mexico,  has a loan program  like this                                                              
one. The Alaska Bankers Association also supports SB 25.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GRETCHEN GUESS asked if speech therapists are included.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARY  WILKEN said he would  find out, but he  doesn't want                                                              
this bill  to turn into a  Christmas tree bill.  Other occupations                                                              
are worthy, but  it would "sink under its own weight"  if they are                                                              
all added. He wants to stick with the realm of education.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS  said she  is talking  about other occupations  that                                                              
fall in the counseling realm, which isn't defined in the bill.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LYDA GREEN  asked if the  bill the  Legislature passed  a                                                              
couple of  years ago that reduced  the interest rate by  1 percent                                                              
for teachers in small communities had any effect.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR WILKEN said  he remembers that to be  negotiated for rural                                                              
Alaska where  you could have up to  a 4-plex, one of  which had to                                                              
be  owner  occupied. He  doesn't  remember  if  it had  a  teacher                                                              
qualification.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAN  FAUSKE,  Executive  Director,   Alaska  Housing  Finance                                                              
Corporation, said  there is a provision  under SB 181  that covers                                                              
that.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAUL  KAPANSKY, Mortgage  Operations Director, explained  that                                                              
SB 181 became  effective October 3 and  it isn't limited to  1 - 4                                                              
units, but  one of  the provisions  is that every  unit has  to be                                                              
occupied  by  a  teacher  year-round.   The  units  could  not  be                                                              
subleased.  There  has been  no  activity  under that  program  to                                                              
date.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked if lending institutions  want to take  the risk                                                              
for a 100 percent loan-to-value ratio.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE  said there  are similar  provisions under  federal law                                                              
as  well and  the  risk exposure  is  increased,  but is  somewhat                                                              
offset  by  the  fact that  mortgage  insurance  is  required  for                                                              
anything over  an 80  to 85 percent  loan-to-value ratio.  He said                                                              
they  are attempting  to increase  their exposure  in rural  areas                                                              
and thinks there would be some movement.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked if the  mortgage industry  put a high  rate for                                                              
mortgage insurance on 100 percent loan-to-value loans.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KAPANSKY  responded  it's common  practice  in  the  mortgage                                                              
insurance  industry to  insure loans  up to 100  percent,  so it's                                                              
not unique to  Alaska. His department requires  mortgage insurance                                                              
on all  loans that  are 80  to 85 percent  loan-to-value.  Now the                                                              
maximum loan  they can make is  95 percent loan-to-value.  "If you                                                              
go  to  100   percent,  the  incremental  cost   of  the  mortgage                                                              
insurance  from covering  a loan  at 95  percent loan-to-value  to                                                              
100 percent loan-to-value would not be very significant."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  said this  legislation does  not require  the teacher                                                              
who is  getting the loan  to actually occupy  the house.  He asked                                                              
whether the loans are for single family only.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KAPANSKY replied yes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked Senator Wilken  if he intends this  for single-                                                              
family units.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN answered  yes, with owner occupied  housing. "If it                                                              
was a duplex, when  I read that sentence, the owner  would have to                                                              
live in both."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS  suggested having the  legal department look  at the                                                              
language to  make sure it couldn't  be interpreted any  other way.                                                              
She asked  if he intends  this to apply  to first time  homeowners                                                              
or could  they upgrade  and could  a teacher buy  a home  and then                                                              
quit.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN answered  that if you're a teacher and  buy a home,                                                              
you're  somewhat stable.  He doubts  that one  would quit  being a                                                              
teacher just  to have this  kind of loan.  He doesn't know  how to                                                              
get away  from people  manipulating the system.  He said  he would                                                              
ask professionals to help with that language.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GUESS  asked  whether  this  is  limited  to  first  time                                                              
homebuyers  and would  it  apply  to people  who  currently own  a                                                              
home, but need a larger one.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  replied that  he doesn't intend  it to be  a first                                                              
time teacher home loan program.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE pointed  out that line 7 of the bill  says for purchase                                                              
only, not refinance.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON asked  what happens  if a person  quits mid-term  and                                                              
moves out of town or moves because of health reasons.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FAUSKE  answered,   under  the  rural  program,   if  someone                                                              
violates  the  covenants that  the  unit  must  be occupied  by  a                                                              
teacher  and  is  financed with  tax-exempt  financing,  the  loan                                                              
would revert  back to  taxable status.  They wouldn't  necessarily                                                              
be found in default.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR  GREEN  asked  if  the same  would  apply  if  the  person                                                              
doesn't move, but just quits teaching.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  responded that  the interest  would stay  the same                                                              
and the loan would continue at 100 percent.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE said that was correct.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GREEN asked  if the  difference between  her and  Senator                                                              
Dyson's question is that they move out.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN said yes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE said it would be hard to police the issue.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN said she doesn't see any geographic limitation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN said it is statewide.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GREEN asked  what  the  harm is  to  provide 100  percent                                                              
loans for any profession in the state.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN responded  the harm is that there is  a bill at the                                                              
end  of the  process  that has  30  different  professions and  he                                                              
doesn't think the  Bankers Association would want that  or that it                                                              
would be  good public policy.  He said  Alaska needs all  the help                                                              
it  can get  to  hire  and keep  good  teachers  and that  is  the                                                              
purpose  for  this.  If  there   is  a  crying  need  for  another                                                              
profession,  that  discussion should  take  place  at a  different                                                              
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON  said he  thinks  this  bill is  justifiable  because                                                              
teachers  very  obviously  serve  the  public  good.  "The  entire                                                              
population and  community benefits  from having well  educated and                                                              
thoughtful people..."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He thinks that idea might extend to nurses, as well.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GREEN   asked  who  is   picking  up  the   down  payment                                                              
differential and is it all covered by mortgage insurance.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE answered  that the 10 percent is reflected  in the size                                                              
of  the payment  and  he envisions  this  bill  helping the  young                                                              
folks who  are just out  of college and  just don't have  the down                                                              
payment.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON  said  he  thought  about  inserting  "single-family"                                                              
after "owner-occupied",  but decided  not to. Allowing  a teacher-                                                              
family  to build  a  duplex and  perhaps  make affordable  housing                                                              
available  to  someone  else  deepens  their  involvement  in  the                                                              
community and their  propensity to stay and adds  to their ability                                                              
to make the payments. He asked Senator Wilken to comment.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN responded  that if  it's a duplex,  it would  cost                                                              
approximately twice  as much and he wonders if  the exposure would                                                              
bother Mr.  Fauske. Also, if a duplex  is good, would  a 4-plex be                                                              
better? He simply envisions a teacher family buying a house.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE  said that discussion  takes them from  a single-family                                                              
owner  occupied  to  an  investment  grade,  especially  beyond  a                                                              
duplex.  Their underwriting  criteria  views investments  entirely                                                              
differently.  He  believes  the single-family  approach  is  safe,                                                              
although he deals  with a lot of multifamily  loans. Affordability                                                              
would be a consideration.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   WILKEN  commented   that  nothing   would  prevent   the                                                              
Legislature from expanding the coverage to a duplex or bigger.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE agreed that could be done.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN  said she thinks that  this bill could pertain  to a                                                              
4-plex,  since  it doesn't  preclude  it  so the  drafters  should                                                              
check that out.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  said they would work  on a committee  substitute that                                                              
would  include wording  making  this  program available  to  other                                                              
schools  that are doing  state school  testing.  He said there  is                                                              
significant interest  in reviving  Covenant High School  and other                                                              
private schools and  they may not fit into the  present definition                                                              
of public school.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN added  that the  balance in  his mind  is does  it                                                              
expand  the exposure  for abuse  versus  the good  it's doing.  He                                                              
noted  that this  was  originally Representative  Rokeberg's  idea                                                              
last year.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON held SB 25 for further discussion and adjourned the                                                                 
meeting at 2:53 p.m.                                                                                                            

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